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An extra race for the 1300s has been added at the start of the meeting, so it's now a 5.15pm start and a 14 race programme. 0. 1300cc Stock Car White & Yellows 1. F1 Stock Car White & Yellows 2. 2L Stock Car Heat 1 3. F1 Stock Car Heat 1 4. F1 Stock Car Heat 2 5. 2L Stock Car Heat 2 6. 1300 Stock Car Heat 1 7. F1 Stock Car Consolation 8. 2L Stock Car Heat 3 9. 1300 Stock Car Heat 2 10. F1 Stock Car Final 11. 2L Stock Car Final 12. 1300 Stock Car Final 13. F1 Stock Car Grand National

Official booking list. 1 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr Silsden, Keighley, West Yorks 2 2 Paul Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire 3 4 Dan Johnson Worksop, Nottinghamshire 4 16 Matt Newson Norwich, Norfolk 5 22 Will Yarrow Desborough, Northants 6 25 Bradley Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire. 7 28 Thomas Boyer Barnoldswick, Lancs 8 43 Adam Bamford Northampton 9 57 William Fenwick Hartlepool 10 76 Aaron Cozens Huntingdon, Cambs 11 84 Tom Harris Winderton, Banbury 12 94 John Dowson Co Durham 13 104 Paul Spooner Darlington, County Durham 14 127 Austin Moore Blackburn, Lancs 15 150 Mick Sworder Molesworth, Cambs 16 166 Bobby Griffin Retford, Notts 17 175 Karl Hawkins Towcester 18 192 Luke Dennis Rugby 19 207 Ben Hurdman Radford, Nr Inkberrow 20 212 Danny Wainman Silsden, West Yorkshire 21 215 Geoff Nickolls Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire 22 217 Lee Fairhurst Bolton, Lancashire 23 220 William Hunter Preston, Lancashire 24 224 Mark Gray Cranford, Northants 25 231 Daniel van Spijker The Netherlands 26 259 Paul Hines Hinckley, Leics 27 280 Colin Nairn South Wigston, Leics 28 293 Eliot Smith Halifax, West Yorkshire 29 306 Ian Noden Rugby, Warwicks 30 318 Rob Speak Tyldesley, Manchester 31 331 Peter Allin Sutton in Ashfield, Notts 32 335 Mark Woodhull Loughborough, Leicestershire 33 338 Chris Brocksopp Cossington, Leicester 34 348 John Wright Chesterfield, Derby 35 405 Keith Palmer Thetford 36 415 Russell Cooper Sawston, Cambs 37 422 Ben Riley Manchester 38 443 Richard Dickerson Dereham, Norfolk 39 445 Nigel Green Gilmorton, Leicestershire 40 446 Joe Booth Huddersfield, West Yorks 41 451 Martin Spiers Evesham, Worcs 42 511 Jake Hall Skipton 43 555 Frankie Wainman Jnr Jnr Keighley, West Yorkshire

Booking list (from the Trackstar website) Shoot Out Drivers – Red Roof & Flashing Lights 1 Frankie Wainman - Keighley 2 Paul Harrison – Rotherham Meadowhall Transport, Merlin Trucks Ltd & JDS Construction (Norfolk) Ltd 4 Dan Johnson – Worksop 16 Matt Newson – Norwich 84 Tom Harris – Banbury 150 Mick Sworder – St Neots 212 Daniel Wainman – Keighley 217 Lee Fairhurst – Bolton 220 Will Hunter – Preston 318 Rob Speak – Manchester 445 Nigel Green - Gilmorton Star Grade – Red Roof 25 Bradley Harrison - Rotherham 231 Daniel van Spijker - Netherlands 259 Paul Hines – Hinckley 422 Ben Riley – Manchester 446 Joe Booth – Huddersfield 555 Frankie Wainman Jnr Jnr - Keighley A Grade – Blue Roof 22 Will Yarrow – Northampton C S Ellis (Group) Ltd, C&D Smith & Big Dave’s Breakfasts 28 Tom Bower – Barnoldswick 94 John Dowson – County Durham 166 Bobby Griffin – Retford 175 Karl Hawkins – Towcester 196 Murray Jones - Aldershot 335 Mark Woodhull - Loughborough B Grade – Yellow Roof 104 Paul Spooner - Darlington 127 Austin Moore – Blackburn 192 Luke Dennis – Rugby 207 Ben Hurdman – Inkberrow MHF (UK) Ltd – Demountable Truck Hire, Sales & Repairs 215 Geoff Nicholls - Melton Mowbray 293 Eliot Smith – Halifax 306 Ian Noden – Rugby 338 Chris Brocksopp - Leicester 451 Martin Spiers – Evesham C Grade – White Roof 43 Adam Bamford – Northampton 57 William Fenwick - Hartlepool 76 Aaron Cozens - Huntingdon 280 Colin Nairn - Leicester 331 Peter Allin -Sutton in Ashfield 348 John Wright – Chesterfield 405 Keith Palmer – Thetford 415 Russell Cooper – Cambridge Crofton Engineering, Glenwood Bolts & Screws & JD Car & Commercials 443 Richard Dickerson - Dereham Pit gate opens 2pm. Turnstiles open 3pm.

Latest press release from Trackstar BIG LEAGUE ARE BACK! Big league F1 Stock Cars return to the Adrian Flux Arena for the first time in over two months and a star studded grid will be in attendance with the third round of the National Points Shootout taking place. The National Series guarantees all of the big guns will be in attendance and that is certainly the case this Saturday with newly crowned World Champion 1 Frankie Wainman heading a star studded line up. 445 Nigel Green is the third leader of the series in as many meetings and the early rounds have certainly been nail biting affairs and with over 40 cars booked in for action this Saturday that trend looks set to continue. 6 races are scheduled for the F1s on Saturday with the traditional White & Yellows race kicking off F1 proceedings at 5.40pm, with the first heat proper set to start no earlier than 6pm.

Meeting preview from Trackstar's website. Stock car racing returns to the Adrian Flux Arena on Saturday night (24 September, 5:30pm) with a triple bill of hard-hitting formulae, headlined by the third round of the Shootout Series for BriSCA Formula One stock cars. They will be ably supported by Two-Litre and 1300cc stock cars, with all three formula's recently crowned World Champions in action. After claiming his third World title at Coventry three weeks ago, #1 Frankie Wainman Jr will be showing off his new number and gold roof, after an incredible season that has also taken him to the British title, and seen rapid progress from his two children in their racing careers. 1 Frankie Wainman will be showing of the gold roof for the first time on Saturday Wainman will be joined by his younger brother #212 Danny Wainman, with both being contenders in the end-of-season Shootout for the silver roof. Son #555 Frankie Wainman Jr Jr will also be in action, having just missed out on a place in the Shootout after his own superb season. Currently leading the Shootout standings after the opening two rounds is 445 Nigel Green. The Leicester man has the joined the superstar ranks for the first time this season and has always had his eye on the silver roof which he feels is a true barometer of success. 445 Nigel Green currently leads the Shootout Points After Wainman in second, comes former World Champion #2 Paul Harrison who impressed at Skegness last weekend, and Norfolk’s own #16 Mat Newson, one of the most committed drivers in the sport and a perennial challenger who always seems to miss out on the luck just when he needs it. A consolation and final double at Skegness last weekend means that #318 Rob Speak remains firmly in contention to take the title in this, his final year of racing after a glittering career Opportunities to see 318 Rob Speak in action are running out King’s Lynn specialist and top entertainer 150 Mick Sworder will fancy his chances this weekend, while defending champion #4 Dan Johnson and former champion #55 Craig Finnikin could do with big scores to boost their standings. Third place in the World Final proved #217 Lee Fairhurst’s shale credentials again, but he and #220 Will Hunter are probably outsiders for the title and could do with bagging some large hauls of points whilst 84 Tom Harris is always a driver you can't take your eyes off around King's Lynn. Away from the Shoot Out, 22 Will Yarrow and 335 Mark Woodhull look a big threat from the blues whilst 207 Ben Hurdman and 338 Chris Brocksopp are real dangers from the yellows 335 Mark Woodhull wil be giving the shootout drivers something to think about on Saturday 76 Aaron Cozens won the White & Yellows race last time out and is always quick around Lynn whilst 405 Keith Palmer will be out in an F1 for the first time in nearly twenty years! All of the fun of the fair will be at the Adrian Flux Arena this Saturday! The good news for mum and dad is that it the ride is free for kids to go on and they can go on them often as they like!!! Check back later in the week for details of what rides will be with us. Pit gate opens at 2pm. On the day admission Adult - £19 OAP - £17 12-15 year old - £7 Kids up to 11 free Family (2 adults & 2 12 - 15 year olds) - £48 Discount advance tickets also available.

Currently 40 cars booked in. 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr 2 Paul Harrison 4 Dan Johnson 16 Matt Newson 22 Will Yarrow 28 Tom Bower 43 Adam Bamford 55 Craig Finnikin 57 William Fenwick 76 Aaron Cozens 84 Tom Harris 94 John Dowson 104 Paul Spooner 127 Austin Moore 150 Mick Sworder 166 Bobby Griffin 175 Karl Hawkins 192 Luke Dennis 196 Murray Jones 207 Ben Hurdman 212 Daniel Wainman 217 Lee Fairhurst 220 Will Hunter 231 Daniel van Spijker 259 Paul Hines 293 Eliot Smith 306 Ian Noden 318 Rob Speak 331 Peter Allin 335 Mark Woodhull 338 Chris Brocksopp 348 John Wright 405 Keith Palmer 415 Russell Cooper 422 Ben Riley 443 Richard Dickerson 445 Nigel Green 446 Joe Booth 451 Martin Spiers 555 Frankie Wainman JJ

Anyone travelling to King's Lynn from the East Coast, bear in mind that the A16 road closures near Boston are still in place. Full details here

Round 3 of the Shoot Out is at King's Lynn on Saturday. Plus 2L Stock Cars and 1300cc Stock Cars. Start time 5.30pm (according to Trackstar's website) Discounted advanced tickets available here. Advance ticket prices:- Adult £18.00 Family Ticket 2 adults & 2 juniors 12-15 £45.00 Junior (12-15) £6.00 O.A.P. £16.00 Note that these are advertised as discount tickets, so on the day admission may be more.

The final car count is 39 1 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr 2 2 Paul Harrison 3 4 Dan Johnson 4 16 Matt Newson 5 19 Johnathon Horne 6 24 Mark Adkins 7 25 Bradley Harrison 8 70 Aaron Leach 9 84 Tom Harris 10 150 Mick Sworder 11 172 Micky Randell 12 181 Mark Hopkisson 13 183 Steve Whittle 14 186 Todd Jones 15 196 Murray Jones 16 197 Ryan Harrison 17 212 Danny Wainman 18 217 Lee Fairhurst 19 219 Jacklyn Ellis 20 220 William Hunter 21 224 Mark Gray 22 231 Daniel van Spijker 23 259 Paul Hines 24 283 Alex Wass 25 284 Samuel Wass 26 287 Sean Willis 27 318 Rob Speak 28 325 Richard Davies 29 326 Mark Sargent 30 372 Colin Goodswen 31 388 Paul Ford 32 401 Steven Webster 33 422 Ben Riley 34 445 Nigel Green 35 464 Luke Davidson 36 512 Michael Steward 37 518 Stuart Shevill Jnr 38 545 Neil Hooper 39 555 Frankie Wainman JJ

Are all these not official, then? I'd assumed that they had been commissioned by the collective promoters.

Official booking list, as of this morning. 1 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr 2 2 Paul Harrison 3 4 Dan Johnson 4 16 Matt Newson 5 19 Jonathon Horne 6 24 Mark Adkins 7 25 Bradley Harrison 8 48 Shaun Webster 9 55 Craig Finnikin 10 70 Aaron Leach 11 84 Tom Harris 12 150 Mick Sworder 13 172 Micky Randell 14 181 Mark Hopkisson 15 183 Steve Whittle 16 186 Todd Jones 17 196 Murray Jones 18 197 Ryan Harrison 19 212 Danny Wainman 20 217 Lee Fairhurst 21 219 Jacklyn Ellis 22 220 William Hunter 23 224 Mark Gray 24 231 Daniel van Spijker 25 259 Paul Hines 26 283 Alex Wass 27 284 Samuel Wass 28 287 Sean Willis 29 318 Rob Speak 30 325 Richard Davies 31 326 Mark Sargent 32 337 Dave Willis 33 372 Colin Goodswen 34 388 Paul Ford 35 401 Steven Webster 36 422 Ben Riley 37 445 Nigel Green 38 464 Luke Davidson 39 512 Michael Steward 40 518 Stuart Shevill Jnr 41 545 Neil Hooper 42 555 Frankie Wainman Jnr Jnr

Official booking list 1 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr 2 2 Paul Harrison 3 4 Dan Johnson 4 16 Matt Newson 5 24 Mark Adkins 6 25 Bradley Harrison 7 48 Shaun Webster 8 55 Craig Finnikin 9 70 Aaron Leach 10 84 Tom Harris 11 150 Mick Sworder 12 172 Micky Randell 13 183 Steve Whittle 14 186 Todd Jones 15 196 Murray Jones 16 197 Ryan Harrison 17 212 Danny Wainman 18 217 Lee Fairhurst 19 219 Jacklyn Ellis 20 220 William Hunter 21 224 Mark Gray 22 231 Daniel van Spijker 23 259 Paul Hines 24 283 Alex Wass 25 284 Samuel Wass 26 287 Sean Willis 27 318 Rob Speak 28 325 Richard Davies 29 326 Mark Sargent 30 337 Dave Willis 31 372 Colin Goodswen 32 388 Paul Ford 33 401 Steven Webster 34 422 Ben Riley 35 445 Nigel Green 36 464 Luke Davidson 37 512 Michael Steward 38 518 Stuart Shevill Jnr 39 545 Neil Hooper 40 555 Frankie Wainman Jnr Jnr Plus just over 70 Saloons.

Thanks for the feedback, Dave. Not quite word for word though; I try to correct any spelling and grammatical mistakes, plus any factual errors, and format it nicely before I post it on here. Nah. There will be no meltdowns. Congratulations to Daniel S, who correctly predicted the time of the first comment about the admission price. All I'm doing is collecting relevant information and collating it on these Meeting Preview threads in the hope that it's useful for somebody. Unless I specifically say so, I'm not posting on behalf of any promoter, the BSCDA, or anyone else. Any queries or complaints about any aspect of this meeting should be made directly to Skegness Stadium on 0844 559 1228 or enquiries@skegness-stadium.info

Important traffic information for anyone travelling to Skegness via Boston and the A16 Latest phase of Boston Quadrant roadworks nears completion Temporary traffic lights and a series of weekend road closures will be needed to complete the latest works for the Chestnut Homes Quadrant development. Two way temporary traffic lights will be in place on the A16 from Monday 5 to Friday 16 September to allow the completion of kerbing, footways and ducting works on the west side of the roundabout. The lights will be in place 24hrs a day and will be manually controlled to keep traffic flowing as much as possible. However, some delays are likely, particularly at peak periods. Drivers may wish to consider alternative routes or vary the times of their journeys where possible. There will then be a series of weekend closures so the carriageway can be surfaced. These closures will run from 7pm Friday to 6am Monday on the following weekends. •16-19 September •23-26 September •30 September -3 October •7-10 October •14-17 October The travelling public are asked to read and follow the information on the temporary signage that will be in place during the works. On behalf of the developer, we apologise in advance for any delays or disruption to people’s journeys during this final stage. Latest info here on the Lincolnshire Council website

Saloon Stock Car World Championship weekend, with an F1 Shoot Out round on the Saturday night. Admission prices on Saturday Adult £25 Senior £20 Junior £9 Turnstiles open at 3pm, PLEASE do not arrive before that time. If you want to make a weekend of it, on Sunday there's a meeting for Saloons, F2s, and the Stoxkart Gold Top Championship. A weekend ticket is adult £39, senior £30, junior £14 Camping is available through into the back field £20 per unit, Gate for this opens at 1pm. Saturday. If you want to pay in advance please ring 0844 559 1228.

The car count still stands at 40.

Heat 1 - 20 Super star 4 Dan Johnson 16 Matt Newson 55 Criag Finnikin 212 Danny Wainman 318 Rob Speak Red 25 Bradley Harrison 231 Daniel Van Slijker Blue 11 Neil Scriven 28 Thomas Boyer 249 Jogg Gibson Yellow 45 Nigel Harrhy 127 Austin Moore 276 Mark Poole 313 Karl Roberts 338 Chris Brocksopp White 76 Arron Cozens 307 Tim Warwick 339 Ant Lee 348 John Wright 451 Martin Spiers Heat 2 - 20 World Champion 1 Frankie Wainman Jnr Superstar 2 Paul Harrison 150 Mick Sworder 217 Lee Fairhurst 220 Will Hunter 445 Nigel Green Red 21 Mark Gilbank 259 Paul Hines 390 Stuart Smith Blue 37 Chris Cowley 335 Mark Woodhull Yellow 183 Steve Whittle 198 Nigel Whalley 207 Ben Hurdman 244 Mick Rogers White 118 Steve Harrison 192 Luke Dennis 326 Mark Sargent 415 Russell Cooper 448 Jason Eaton

It's Stoke.... there's usually plenty of fireworks between the green flag and the chequered. And that's the best time for them.

Dunno if he's on holiday, but he's not on the latest booking list. 1 1 Frankie Wainman Shoot Out Driver 2 2 Paul Harrison Shoot Out Driver 3 4 Dan Johnson Shoot Out Driver 4 11 Neil Scriven 5 16 Matt Newson Shoot Out Driver 6 21 Mark Gilbank 7 25 Bradley Harrison 8 28 Thomas Boyer 9 37 Chris Cowley 10 45 Nigel Harrhy 11 55 Craig Finnikin Shoot Out Driver 12 76 Aaron Cozens 13 118 Steve Harrison 14 127 Austin Moore 15 150 Mick Sworder Shoot Out Driver 16 183 Steve Whittle 17 192 Luke Dennis 18 198 Nigel Whalley 19 207 Ben Hurdman 20 212 Danny Wainman Shoot Out Driver 21 217 Lee Fairhurst Shoot Out Driver 22 220 William Hunter Shoot Out Driver 23 231 Daniel van Spijker 24 244 Mick Rogers 25 249 Jonathon Gibson 26 259 Paul Hines 27 276 Mark Poole 28 307 Tim Warwick 29 313 Karl Roberts 30 318 Rob Speak Shoot Out Driver 31 326 Mark Sargent 32 335 Mark Woodhull 33 338 Chris Brocksopp 34 339 Anthony Lee 35 348 John Wright 36 390 Stuart Smith 37 415 Russell Cooper 38 445 Nigel Green Shoot Out Driver 39 448 Jason Eaton 40 451 Martin Spiers

Not sure, but I think the Shoot Out drivers are automatically booked in, the same as semi-finalists and world finalists. Tom is still on the latest list. 1 1 Frankie Wainman Silsden, Keighley, West Yorks Shoot Out Driver 2 2 Paul Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire Shoot Out Driver 3 4 Dan Johnson Worksop, Nottinghamshire Shoot Out Driver 4 11 Neil Scriven Cirencester, Gloucestershire 5 16 Matt Newson Norwich, Norfolk Shoot Out Driver 6 21 Mark Gilbank Rotherham, South Yorks 7 25 Bradley Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire. 8 28 Thomas Boyer Barnoldswick, Lancs 9 37 Chris Cowley Nuneaton, Warwickshire 10 45 Nigel Harrhy Solihull, West Midlands. 11 55 Craig Finnikin Leek, Stafforshire Shoot Out Driver 12 76 Aaron Cozens Huntingdon, Cambs 13 84 Tom Harris Winderton, Banbury Shoot Out Driver 14 94 John Dowson Co Durham 15 118 Steve Harrison Draycott-in-the-Clay, Ashbourne, Derbys 16 127 Austin Moore Blackburn, Lancs 17 150 Mick Sworder Molesworth, Cambs Shoot Out Driver 18 158 James Clement Clitheroe, Lancs 19 175 Karl Hawkins Towcester 20 183 Steve Whittle Winsford, Cheshire 21 192 Luke Dennis Rugby 22 198 Nigel Whalley Northwich, Cheshire. 23 207 Ben Hurdman Radford, Nr Inkberrow 24 212 Danny Wainman Silsden, West Yorkshire Shoot Out Driver 25 217 Lee Fairhurst Bolton, Lancashire Shoot Out Driver 26 220 William Hunter Preston, Lancashire Shoot Out Driver 27 231 Daniel van Spijker The Netherlands 28 244 Mick Rogers Kidderminster, Worcs. 29 249 Jonathon Gibson Bury, Lancs 30 259 Paul Hines Hinckley, Leics 31 276 Mark Poole Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs 32 313 Karl Roberts Rochdale, Lancashire 33 318 Rob Speak Tyldesley, Manchester Shoot Out Driver 34 326 Mark Sargent Spalding, Lincs 35 335 Mark Woodhull Loughborough, Leicestershire 36 338 Chris Brocksopp Cossington, Leicester 37 348 John Wright Chesterfield, Derby 38 390 Stuart Smith Rochdale, Lancashire 39 415 Russell Cooper Sawston, Cambs 40 445 Nigel Green Gilmorton, Leicestershire Shoot Out Driver 41 448 Jason Eaton Swadlincote, Derbyshire 42 451 Martin Spiers Evesham, Worcs

Offical booking list at the moment. 1 1 Frankie Wainman Silsden, Keighley, West Yorks Shoot Out Driver 2 2 Paul Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire Shoot Out Driver 3 4 Dan Johnson Worksop, Nottinghamshire Shoot Out Driver 4 11 Neil Scriven Cirencester, Gloucestershire 5 16 Matt Newson Norwich, Norfolk Shoot Out Driver 6 21 Mark Gilbank Rotherham, South Yorks 7 25 Bradley Harrison Rotherham, South Yorkshire. 8 28 Thomas Boyer Barnoldswick, Lancs 9 37 Chris Cowley Nuneaton, Warwickshire 10 45 Nigel Harrhy Solihull, West Midlands. 11 55 Craig Finnikin Leek, Stafforshire Shoot Out Driver 12 76 Aaron Cozens Huntingdon, Cambs 13 84 Tom Harris Winderton, Banbury Shoot Out Driver 14 94 John Dowson Co Durham 15 127 Austin Moore Blackburn, Lancs 16 150 Mick Sworder Molesworth, Cambs Shoot Out Driver 17 158 James Clement Clitheroe, Lancs 18 175 Karl Hawkins Towcester 19 192 Luke Dennis Rugby 20 198 Nigel Whalley Northwich, Cheshire. 21 207 Ben Hurdman Radford, Nr Inkberrow 22 212 Danny Wainman Silsden, West Yorkshire Shoot Out Driver 23 217 Lee Fairhurst Bolton, Lancashire Shoot Out Driver 24 220 William Hunter Preston, Lancashire Shoot Out Driver 25 231 Daniel van Spijker The Netherlands 26 244 Mick Rogers Kidderminster, Worcs. 27 249 Jonathon Gibson Bury, Lancs 28 259 Paul Hines Hinckley, Leics 29 276 Mark Poole Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs 30 313 Karl Roberts Rochdale, Lancashire 31 318 Rob Speak Tyldesley, Manchester Shoot Out Driver 32 326 Mark Sargent Spalding, Lincs 33 335 Mark Woodhull Loughborough, Leicestershire 34 338 Chris Brocksopp Cossington, Leicester 35 348 John Wright Chesterfield, Derby 36 390 Stuart Smith Rochdale, Lancashire 37 415 Russell Cooper Sawston, Cambs 38 445 Nigel Green Gilmorton, Leicestershire Shoot Out Driver 39 451 Martin Spiers Evesham, Worcs

Drivers booked so far. 1 Frankie Wainman 2 Paul Harrison 4 Dan Johnson 11 Neil Scriven 16 Matt Newson 25 Bradley Harrison 28 Thomas Boyer 45 Nigel Harrhy 55 Craig Finnikin 76 Aaron Cozens 84 Tom Harris 94 John Dowson 127 Austin Moore 150 Mick Sworder 158 James Clement 175 Karl Hawkins 192 Luke Dennis 198 Nigel Whalley 212 Danny Wainman 217 Lee Fairhurst 220 William Hunter 231 Daniel van Spijker 244 Mick Rogers 249 Jonathon Gibson 259 Paul Hines 276 Mark Poole 318 Rob Speak 326 Mark Sargent 335 Mark Woodhull 338 Chris Brocksopp 415 Russell Cooper 445 Nigel Green 451 Martin Spiers